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No jo on tulkinta. Ei niillä mitään oikeutta sun tiliisi tai korttiisi ole sen enempää kuin sillä varsinaisella myyjällä olisi jos hän suoraan laskuttaisi korttiasi. Ilmeisesti kääntäjällä meni sekaisin pankkitili ja paypal tili koska käsittääkseni tuossa sanotaan että jos teet valituksen PayPalilla on oikeus rajoittaa sinun PayPal tilin käyttöäsi. Useimmat kai kuitenkin käyttävät PayPalia pelkästään maksamiseen joten tuolla ei nyt luulisi olevan suurta käytännön merkitystä. Eikä tuo siteeraamasi kohta näytä edes olevan itse PayPalin käsialaa vaan PayPalSucksin tulkinta PayPalin käyttäjäsopimuksesta ja jonka paikkansapitävyyttä en nyt tässä jaksa alkaa selvitteleen.
 
http://www.paypalsucks.com/forums/
 
Käyppä tuolla lukemassa oikeita tapahtumia. Se on nimenomaan se pankkitili, ei PayPal-tili. Puoli vuotta pitää maksajan odottaa ennen kuin saa rahansa takaisin, jos on huijarin kanssa kaupustellut. Rahansaaja taas ei saa koskaan rahojaan takaisin (työntekijöiden mukaan tuo lisätään suoraan firman tuloihin), mikäli on tehnyt kauppoja huijarin kanssa.
 
http://www.paypalsucks.com/forums/showforum.php?fid=3
 
Tuolla varsinkin löytyy parhaimmat.
 
Tässä entisen työntekijän kommentit firman politiikasta:
 
http://www.paypalsucks.com/forums/s … ?fid=6&tid=1529&old_block=0
 
Ko. työntekijän ohje PayPalin käyttäjille (tiivistelmäkäännös alla):
 
So, If you STILL want to use PP- here are a few tips for merchants to avoid being taken by them. But really; from a moral and ethical point of view- would any decent person want to be in a position of supporting this ongoing Ponzi scheme- even if it COULD be guarenteed that you, personally wouldn't be ripped off by it?
 
1. Give PP only ONE account to access, then make sure that the monies are cleaned out the moment deposited funds become available- and transferred to an account that PP can't touch.
 
1) Anna PayPalille vain yksi (pankki)tili käyttöön, josta nostat/siirrät rahat heti kun saat ne.
 
2. After somebody has paid you through PP, NEVER do business with that individual a SECOND time- at least not through Pay Pal. This is a huge red flag to them, since scammers who get hold of a good credit card number but don't know the spending limit will "hammer" it through the same PP account several times until it's maxed . Don't forget- they're looking for ANY remote justification for siezing your money- since under the "terms and conditions" you agreed that this was OK with you.
 
2) Kun olet tehnyt kauppaa henkilön kanssa, älä koskaan tee kauppoja saman henkilön kanssa toista kertaa. Varastetun kortin käyttäjät eivät tiedä kortin rajaa, joten ne "vasaroi" samalla PP-tilillä niin kauan kuin voivat, kunnes kortti on rajalla. PP myös etsii kaikkia mahdollisia keinoja lukita tilisi ja viedä rahasi, ja sinä hyväksyit ko. toiminnan kun hyväksyit PayPalin käyttöehdot.
 
3. Never, ever, do business with anybody from Asia or Africa. ESPECIALLY Nigeria. With PP "security", you're venturing onto slippery ice even if you deal with a bona-fide American with an African or Asian sounding name. No kidding. I don't mean to sound like a racist here- but that's simply the way it is: an automatic "guilty until proven innocent" red flag.
 
3) Älä ikinä tee kauppoja kenenkään aasialaisen tai afrikkalaisen kanssa. Varsinkaan Nigerialaisen.
 
4. If you ARE frozen, accept the reality that this isn't some mistake that can be corrected by an e-mail or phone call to a nice customer service person; you've been SCREWED, and it's NO accident or misunderstanding. This company is now your enemy and is probably not inclined to do anything to help you, unless you're one of those unfrozen for "show" purposed as described above- but I'll bet they don't even account for 2%. So don't waste your time with "customer-no-service" e-mails and phone calls.
 
4) Jos tilisi on jäädytetty, olet kusessa. Se ei ole virhe, jonka voi korjauttaa sähköpostin tai soiton kautta: PayPalilla ei ole mitään syytä auttaa sinua, eivätkä he sitä tee.
 
Yes, most of the contact numbers listed on this site are accurate and the people listed are real employees- but believe me; they generally have NO power to say anything but "NO." If you've been frozen, your "case" goes to a special group within "customer service" who's entire mission statement could be summed up as "we've got the money, we're going to keep the money, so explain this to the customer in any plausible fashion- as long as the final answer remains ''we get to keep the money'." Also, these folks will oftern be extremely rude to you- which is all part of the plan; you weren't really supposed to call them in the first place, and they don't want you to even THINK about calling back. Those repeated requests for copies of drivers licences and so forth are simply a ruse and a stall tactic. Believe me... they KNOW who you are, and this information does NOT keep getting misplaced.
 
Kaikki puhelinnumerot ja henkilöt ovat oikeita, mutta heillä ei ole mitään valtaa muuhun kuin kieltäytymiseen. Kun tili on lukittu, sinun "tapaus" menee erikoisryhmään, jonka työntekijät selvittävät sinulle mahdollisimman epäselvästi ja hienosti miksi tili on lukittu, kunhan loppuvastaus on "me pidämme rahat".
 
They're wearing you down, and it usually works. By the THIRD request for you to gather and send the same information, they most people will simply give up and say "it's not worth it." Don't threaten to sue or waste your money having a lawyer send PP a threatening letter, 'cause it dosen't work. People who SAY "I'm gonna sue" DON'T 99.9% of the time, and PP knows this. What DOES work is to hire an attorney and actually FILE SUIT. When they're hit with requests for discovery and are faced with having to send executives to depositions and so forth- most of the time your case will be "re-investigated". You'll then be cleared and your money will be returned. If that dosen't fix it, then, for some reason Pay-Pay must really, really feel that you ARE scamming. Most people simply won't go this far, since hiring an attorney, filing suit and so forth actually exceeds what PP has taken from you- and believe me, they DO know this.
 
Viivyttelevät vain, ja usein ihmiset luovuttavat kolmannella yrityksellä. Jotkut uhkaavat lakitoimilla, mutta PP ei välitä, koska tietävät että lakimiehen palkkaaminen ja syytteen nostaminen maksaa enemmän kuin rahat jotka sinulta vietiin.
 
Tässä hauskin pala ostajien kannalta:
 
For buyers the answer is real simple: NEVER use PP under any circumstances. Ever.
 
You simply have NO control over who has access to your information, and your bank wouldn't touch some of these PP people with a ten-foot pole. Want to use a credit card to pay for an auction item but don't want to get double and fraudently billed? Go down to the bank, use that same credit card to buy a cashiers check, then mail it to the seller. You have the exact same protection doing business that way as you do through Pay Pal, but you avoid the numerous risks of involving yourself with them- which, of course, go WAY beyond having to eat a thousand dollar loss because some guy didn't send your merchandise.