Aihe: Petri Walli Gear
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fox
06.08.2010 17:22:07
 
 
padaa@dadaa!: Niin, Planet FunFun oli Keravalla sijainnut sisähuvipuisto.
 
Kaipa se F-W sen jo vuodessa ja seittemässä kuukaudessa on selvittäny... ;)
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Taigo
06.08.2010 19:36:08
Damn, i need McNulty to read this topic!
 
I'm even wondering now if it's a 2conductor lead PAF or a 4 conductor, my mind tells me 4 conductor for the coil-splitter, but you can never be to sure :o
 
Btw no offense was taken fox ;)
 
Cheers!
bfoc
06.08.2010 20:37:04 (muokattu 06.08.2010 20:37:19)
Taigo: Damn, i need McNulty to read this topic!
 
You can PM him in his profile with green button labeled
 
"Lähetä pikaviesti"
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McNulty
06.08.2010 22:00:31
Taigo: Damn, i need McNulty to read this topic!
 
I'm here... soon going to give a look to your first post :)
 
I'm even wondering now if it's a 2conductor lead PAF or a 4 conductor, my mind tells me 4 conductor for the coil-splitter, but you can never be to sure :o
 
Pete used to have both pickups "splittable" with those mini switches, but once he installed that Dirty Fingers bridge pickup, the coil-splitting function was ditched too. So the coil-splitting was only functional with the neck pickup.
 
I'm not 100% sure if the neck pickup was modified afterward to have that coil-splitting function.
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Kimmo72
06.08.2010 23:02:01
Tunne ja improvisaatio korvaa tekniikan.
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McNulty
06.08.2010 23:07:17
Dream_eater: Here's couple of pics.
http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/4462/wallilp1.jpg
http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/3496/wallilp2.jpg

 
Yeah... those are the ones from Kitarapaja, store that sold the guitar for it's new owner. Quite good actually to spot those few fine details.
 
Thanks Dream_eater for sharing links. Even I didn't have these anymore :)
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Taigo
07.08.2010 11:25:41 (muokattu 07.08.2010 12:31:17)
Oh Wow!
 
I wish i had replied to these forum posts years ago! i've been looking for more info about that guitar since like 5 years ago! I remember at one time i had those pics of the guitar when it was for sale, but i lost them when my pc crashed,.. so thanks a lot dream_eater!
 
And thank you to McNulty, some of my questions have had a very revealing question! Also thanks for the bigger picture of that "photocollection",.. i'm pretty good with photo-manipulation and that photo certainly had more pixels to work with then the old!
 
The pictures that dream_eater has posted also showed the grover tuner-"heads" so now i know how finnish candy looks like ;)
 
That brass bridge actually doesn't seem so "special" anymore, it was my biggest mystery as i could find nothing that i "thought" it would look like on the internet!
But to me it appears as if it's allmost some sort of Fender Jaguar bridge..
Anyway now that i've seen a better picture of it, there's plenty of info about it..
 
First of all there is one for sale on the bay but, it's not branded as double-eagle but rather as "dean" (but as you said it was made by gotoh so there must be a lot of other brand named copies).
http://cgi.benl.ebay.be/ws/eBayISAP … 420229&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
 
I think 100€ is a lot for it, since you can clearly see that the bridge saddles are killed to death! Brass is soft material, and the places where the string should go over the saddles look just way to deep to ever stay properly in tune etc.
I don't know if it would sound the same, but as you said before, i also agree that perhaps a regular tune-o-matic bridge, with brass saddles would be anybody's best option, since the saddles would be easier to replace when they're wildly available..
 
Second of all i found the exact same thing under the brand names "alembic" & "starz"! Take a look at this forum;
http://www.tdpri.com/forum/other-gu … bout-garcias-alligator-strat-2.html
 
That second page is almost entirly about the bridge and has dozens of photo's, it mentions both "alembic" and "stars" as exact copies and it is about the Jerry Garcia strat,.. so maybe we can add one more hero to petro walli's hero's list? :D
 
So about the humbucker than, i also thought it wasn't a "real" PAF, since i don't petri would have putten a lot of work in converting a 2conductor humbucker into a 4conductor pickup.. The real question here is "how much output did it have"?
It's really hard to compare pickups in general, certainly with the "big brands" out there, the 2 gibson dirty fingers i have have different measurements, one of them is 15.5K the other one is 16.2K that's a very small difference, but then again there's the second part. On those dirty fingers you can use a screwdriver to adjust the magnets height, which would have a major influence tonewise!
So if there's any chance you know the output of the "paf" that would be awesome!
 
Well i'm going to continue my quest, and keep you updated if i find more information!
 
Thanks a million already McNulty, Dream_Eater and Fox!
 
Cheers!
McNulty
07.08.2010 14:48:37
Taigo: And thank you to McNulty, some of my questions have had a very revealing question! Also thanks for the bigger picture of that "photocollection",.. i'm pretty good with photo-manipulation and that photo certainly had more pixels to work with then the old!
No problemo... and good if you could get something out of that collage :)
 
The pictures that dream_eater has posted also showed the grover tuner-"heads" so now i know how finnish candy looks like ;)
Yeah, those buttons are quite big and probably from the same era as the brass bridge.
 
That brass bridge actually doesn't seem so "special" anymore, it was my biggest mystery as i could find nothing that i "thought" it would look like on the internet!
But to me it appears as if it's allmost some sort of Fender Jaguar bridge..
Anyway now that i've seen a better picture of it, there's plenty of info about it..
 
First of all there is one for sale on the bay but, it's not branded as double-eagle but rather as "dean" (but as you said it was made by gotoh so there must be a lot of other brand named copies).
http://cgi.benl.ebay.be/ws/eBayISAP … 420229&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
 
I think 100€ is a lot for it, since you can clearly see that the bridge saddles are killed to death! Brass is soft material, and the places where the string should go over the saddles look just way to deep to ever stay properly in tune etc.
I don't know if it would sound the same, but as you said before, i also agree that perhaps a regular tune-o-matic bridge, with brass saddles would be anybody's best option, since the saddles would be easier to replace when they're wildly available..
 
Second of all i found the exact same thing under the brand names "alembic" & "starz"! Take a look at this forum;
http://www.tdpri.com/forum/other-gu … bout-garcias-alligator-strat-2.html
 
That second page is almost entirly about the bridge and has dozens of photo's, it mentions both "alembic" and "stars" as exact copies and it is about the Jerry Garcia strat,.. so maybe we can add one more hero to petro walli's hero's list? :D

You are correct. Brass was widely used during the late 70s and there must have been loads of brass spare parts around from different manufacturers. Nuts, bridges, tailpieces, saddles, knobs, pickguards... you name it. And as we all know, Japs are good copying stuff so the DoubleEagle/Gotoh brass tune-o-matic might be a copy of Alembic's bridge or something like that. When you look at late 70s japanese guitars and basses, they are somewhat faithful replicas of the american ones. Even lawsuits were hoisted :)
 
So about the humbucker than, i also thought it wasn't a "real" PAF, since i don't petri would have putten a lot of work in converting a 2conductor humbucker into a 4conductor pickup.. The real question here is "how much output did it have"?
I'm not sure if anyone really knows the answer. Maybe the owner of that guitar does but that's about it. All I know is that it was mild and when splitted it really provided that singlecoil tone. One of the reasons might be that the two coils inside could be uneven to each other. Actually Lindy Fralin offers such a pickup these days, it's called Fralin UnBucker. http://www.fralinpickups.com/humbuckers.asp#un
 
I think any PAF-replica between 7k to 9k would work fine there on a neck position.
 
It's really hard to compare pickups in general, certainly with the "big brands" out there, the 2 gibson dirty fingers i have have different measurements, one of them is 15.5K the other one is 16.2K that's a very small difference, but then again there's the second part. On those dirty fingers you can use a screwdriver to adjust the magnets height, which would have a major influence tonewise!
So if there's any chance you know the output of the "paf" that would be awesome!

I'm not sure if Kitarapaja ever measured the pickups of that guitar. You could send them email and ask if they recall such things of that Pete Walli LP Deluxe but I highly doubt that. http://www.kitarapaja.com/
 
Another "problem" is that every pickup is slightly different than the other. Especially those man-made or human-operated ones :) The windings are always different (more/less turns, wire thickness and material etc.), there might have been different magnets (at least different values, sizes etc.)... and it all results to different pickups placed between the tolerance limits set for them. Even if you manage to find a pickup with identical dc-resistance value, it would probably sound different :)
 
Well i'm going to continue my quest, and keep you updated if i find more information!
 
Thanks a million already McNulty, Dream_Eater and Fox!
 
Cheers!

All the best luck!
Rauhan jalanjäljissä kulkee aina salamurha.
padaa@dadaa!
07.08.2010 18:07:07
 
 
aristoteles666: avattiin kun planet hollywood meni nurin.
 
Eikös Planet Hollywood avattu 1996? Muistan kun Arska S. heitteli t-paitoja faneille. FunFunissa kävin ite skidinä 1994 ja se meni aika pian sen jälkeen nurin.
Mandarax
08.08.2010 11:22:45
padaa@dadaa!: Eikös Planet Hollywood avattu 1996? Muistan kun Arska S. heitteli t-paitoja faneille. FunFunissa kävin ite skidinä 1994 ja se meni aika pian sen jälkeen nurin.
 
1994 aukesi Planet H ja -95 meni Fun Fun nurin. 1994 olin vielä Funfunissa jossain abibileissä rällästämässä.
Jottei nyt lätinät ihan offariksi äidy, niin pistetään vaikka tuollainen linkki josta löytyy myös jokunen KW:n keikkakuva ynnä muuta (näkyy se LP:kin siellä jossain kuvissa).
http://www.themirrorland.tk/
I don't care to belong to a club that accepts people like me as members. -Groucho Marx-
Taigo
08.08.2010 13:14:48
God i hate the design of that website from the mirrorland..
I'm creating a new one! Is Aki still the host?
padaa@dadaa!
08.08.2010 14:34:16 (muokattu 08.08.2010 14:35:43)
 
 
Mandarax: 1994 aukesi Planet H ja -95 meni Fun Fun nurin. 1994 olin vielä Funfunissa jossain abibileissä rällästämässä.
Jottei nyt lätinät ihan offariksi äidy, niin pistetään vaikka tuollainen linkki josta löytyy myös jokunen KW:n keikkakuva ynnä muuta (näkyy se LP:kin siellä jossain kuvissa).
http://www.themirrorland.tk/

 
http://www.yle.fi/elavaarkisto/?s=s … mp;g=4&ag=22&t=8&a=8717
 
Yleisradiolla väärää tietoa?
 
Ja toinen aihe.
 
http://www.kotiposti.net/akiko/mirrorlandv2/images/obitu.jpg
 
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MKK
08.08.2010 15:24:13
Jos jotakin kiinnostaa, tässä aika kattava paketti Klondyke-talosta Keravalla.
 
http://huvipuisto.net/huvipuis/fanfaari.htm
 
/M
 
http://huvipuisto.net/huvipuis/fanfaari.htm
 
padaa@dadaa!: http://www.yle.fi/elavaarkisto/?s=s … mp;g=4&ag=22&t=8&a=8717
Yleisradiolla väärää tietoa?
Mikä ihmeen tone...?
Mandarax
08.08.2010 18:40:04
padaa@dadaa!: http://www.yle.fi/elavaarkisto/?s=s … mp;g=4&ag=22&t=8&a=8717
 
Yleisradiolla väärää tietoa?

 
Luepas uudestaan ajatuksen kanssa tuo minun lause:
1994 aukesi Planet H ja -95 meni Fun Fun nurin.
 
Eipä tuo Arskan visiittejä Planet Hollywoodissa estä...
I don't care to belong to a club that accepts people like me as members. -Groucho Marx-
Taigo
08.08.2010 18:51:08 (muokattu 08.08.2010 18:53:39)
It seems like the machine heads were the vintage version of the "Grover Imperial"
 
Examples
http://www.topshelfmusic.com/S9901080015.jpg
http://www.scottymoore.net/images/eguitars/Img_5556.jpg
 
Can anyone verify?
 
Cheers
JHL
08.08.2010 20:06:24
 
 
About those brass bridges, I vaguely recall seeing somewhat similar ones at the jcfonline.com, the Jackson/Charvel forum. Somebody had put one in a golden hardtail Rhoads, looked very nice. I did a quick search at the site but did not find the pic, maybe if you have more time and interest in searching the site you'll come up with some info. And I think there was someone producing those bridges, they were not 2nd hand or NOS.
 
My 2 cents, hope this helps...
Jannipaali
08.08.2010 20:13:31
the insult: About those brass bridges, I vaguely recall seeing somewhat similar ones at the jcfonline.com, the Jackson/Charvel forum. Somebody had put one in a golden hardtail Rhoads, looked very nice. I did a quick search at the site but did not find the pic, maybe if you have more time and interest in searching the site you'll come up with some info. And I think there was someone producing those bridges, they were not 2nd hand or NOS.
 
My 2 cents, hope this helps...

 
Dave from http://www.fretsonthenet.com/ builds these: http://www.fretsonthenet.net/NeedUploaded/Blacktuna.JPG
 
You can get one in solid brass too. But i don't know if he makes them anymore, the build costs were too high or something?
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Taigo
08.08.2010 20:15:18 (muokattu 08.08.2010 20:16:48)
oh it's easy to find the guy who made them is named Brian, he owns a website called http://jackofroses.com/Home.html
 
He made the replicas because Jerry Garcia used the same bridge as Petri Walli on his "alligator strat".
 
Unfortunatly Brian stopped making them (in mass production?). Anyway i've already mailed him, but now you guys know where to get it..
 
That website from fretsonthenet seems to have the same saddles, but the rest looks entirely different.
fox
08.08.2010 20:24:35
 
 
Taigo: It seems like the machine heads were the vintage version of the "Grover Imperial"
 
Examples
http://www.topshelfmusic.com/S9901080015.jpg
http://www.scottymoore.net/images/eguitars/Img_5556.jpg
 
Can anyone verify?
 
Cheers

 
Those look like so-called "waffleback"-Grovers.. I think Imperials had stairstep buttons.. vintage as well as new..
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