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padaa@dadaa!: Niin, Planet FunFun oli Keravalla sijainnut sisähuvipuisto.
 
Kaipa se F-W sen jo vuodessa ja seittemässä kuukaudessa on selvittäny... ;)

Damn, i need McNulty to read this topic!
 
I'm even wondering now if it's a 2conductor lead PAF or a 4 conductor, my mind tells me 4 conductor for the coil-splitter, but you can never be to sure :o
 
Btw no offense was taken fox ;)
 
Cheers!

Taigo: Damn, i need McNulty to read this topic!
 
You can PM him in his profile with green button labeled
 
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Taigo: Damn, i need McNulty to read this topic!
 
I'm here... soon going to give a look to your first post :)
 
I'm even wondering now if it's a 2conductor lead PAF or a 4 conductor, my mind tells me 4 conductor for the coil-splitter, but you can never be to sure :o
 
Pete used to have both pickups "splittable" with those mini switches, but once he installed that Dirty Fingers bridge pickup, the coil-splitting function was ditched too. So the coil-splitting was only functional with the neck pickup.
 
I'm not 100% sure if the neck pickup was modified afterward to have that coil-splitting function.

Taigo: So regarding the "double eagle" tune-o-matic bridge.. that's the key to get the "strat-sounding" sound out of it right? Has anyone ever seen one like that on ebay or other website for sale? I can only find some floyd rose copies from the brand "double eagle".
When i look at the video of Espoon axo, it looks like a huge square bridge, but the thing i notice most is the position of it.. it's right against the pickup, which is pretty weird for a gibson.
Any recommendations for a replacement bridge, if i'd never find the double eagle?
Like it was mentioned, member "fox" kindly sold me this DoubleEagle tune-o-matic style bridge, made of brass. I just took few pictures of it for you:
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_vIW8Inklv8c/T … ADBw/yN7Rrq0kI1k/s1152/IMG_2213.JPG
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_vIW8Inklv8c/T … ADB4/xcD4SSUEIKw/s1152/IMG_2215.JPG
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_vIW8Inklv8c/T … AADCE/eqWB4mjpYHs/s640/IMG_2216.JPG
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_vIW8Inklv8c/T … ADCI/Jbb2eJ94hd4/s1152/IMG_2217.JPG
 
I think any tune-o-matic made of brass would do the trick. You would at least achieve the sound with it. Brass is somewhat weird material, since it makes the sound fuller but also brighter... at least in today's Les Pauls that are mahogany with maple top, and glued in mahogany neck with rosewood fingerboard. Remember, Pete's Les Paul was a Deluxe, from Norlin era. It had a sandwich body that shouldn't be "overlooked".
 
Also, he is using a Gibson paf for neck, and a dirty fingers for bridge PU right?
The neck pickup wasn't really a PAF-pickup. PAF stands for that black sticker saying "Patent Applied For", and Pete's neck pickup had patent number on that sticker. So it's Gibson's PAF yes, but not in the very sense of it :)
 
I think most of today's PAF-replicas would do fine there. Even BurstBucker #1 with split-coil function. I personally like BareKnucklePickups' Stormy Monday in my Les Pauls these days. It's a nice sounding humbucker with a mild singlecoil-like character... you know, warm with clarity. And absolutely fantastic when splitted :)
 
The bridge pickup is Gibson Dirty Fingers from the 80s. Not quite the same they are making today, but sort of like that. A hot pickup anyways.
 
But the thing that confuses me is those switches. From what i understand he uses them as coil splitters right? I just wonder why he has 2 switches, since he "never used the bridge pickup in splitted mode".. i guess he just performed the mod on both pickups and didn't like it on the dirty finger?
You answered your own question there :)
He used to have coil-splitting for both neck and bridge pickup, but once DirtyFingers was installed the second switch was left "unhooked". Some people have asked why Pete didn't use just one switch for tapping them both pickups. One reason might be the center-position of the regular LP pickup switch when both pickups are "on" and if you then use the coil-splitter, it makes both pickups "singlecoils". More variations and sounds when you build a switch for both pickups (humbucker/humbucker or single/humbucker or humbucker/single or single/single) :)
 
The tuners are Grover Kidney "BEAN"? or something else, they look huge when they're filmed from the back, really sticking far out of the headstock..
They weren't those regular "beans" or kidneys. They were larger, more square-like. Almost like oversized modern Strat tuner-buttons.
 
I'm not sure if I'm going to get it explained well enough, but at least all the finns here know if I mention "lätkäliiga-karkki". That candy is pretty much the shape of those buttons :)
 
Finally, he replaced the P90's with humbuckers, but how did he cut out the wood?
Harsh and rough... just like a butcher :)
One tiny detail was the corners of that humbucker routing. There weren't any wood where the pickup frame's screws bite into. Those corners were filled with small "extra wood" afterwards... glued there with the same "butcher-like style" like the routings were done. So the routings were pretty harsh... and there was no coating of any kind.
 
like a standard les paul or different? the humbuckers might be placed higher/lower compared to anything else out there.. and the fact that the bridge is so close to the dirtyfinger only makes me wonder more..
You are somewhat correct. There's a small gap between the pickup frames and the pickguard. I would say 2-3mm from both neck and bridge pickup side.
 
PS; does anyone have the BIG PICTURES from this;
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1438/872146490_3a4e717016_m.jpg
Yes, I have them burned on some CD, which is located somewhere here in my apartment. But during these years I have been "cherishing" the wish of the Pete Walli Les Paul's current owner not to share around those pictures.
 
Slightly bigger version: http://lh5.ggpht.com/_vIW8Inklv8c/S … E8oKHhbRJeE/walli_lp_thumbnails.jpg
 
I'm not trying to recreate a perfect replica, but i think the color of my les paul is in the right ballpark;
http://cmdstud.khlim.be/~apaletta/blahblah/Fresher10.jpg
Yeah, it was more of a brown than an orange. Still it wasn't completely brown, there's a "orange hue" to it. Maybe because of the bare maple underneath...
 
I hope someone will respond..
Cheers,
 
Anthony
I hope we could help ya. And cheers back at you :)

Here's couple of pics.
http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/4462/wallilp1.jpg
http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/3496/wallilp2.jpg

Dream_eater: Here's couple of pics.
http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/4462/wallilp1.jpg
http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/3496/wallilp2.jpg
 
Yeah... those are the ones from Kitarapaja, store that sold the guitar for it's new owner. Quite good actually to spot those few fine details.
 
Thanks Dream_eater for sharing links. Even I didn't have these anymore :)

Oh Wow!
 
I wish i had replied to these forum posts years ago! i've been looking for more info about that guitar since like 5 years ago! I remember at one time i had those pics of the guitar when it was for sale, but i lost them when my pc crashed,.. so thanks a lot dream_eater!
 
And thank you to McNulty, some of my questions have had a very revealing question! Also thanks for the bigger picture of that "photocollection",.. i'm pretty good with photo-manipulation and that photo certainly had more pixels to work with then the old!
 
The pictures that dream_eater has posted also showed the grover tuner-"heads" so now i know how finnish candy looks like ;)
 
That brass bridge actually doesn't seem so "special" anymore, it was my biggest mystery as i could find nothing that i "thought" it would look like on the internet!
But to me it appears as if it's allmost some sort of Fender Jaguar bridge..
Anyway now that i've seen a better picture of it, there's plenty of info about it..
 
First of all there is one for sale on the bay but, it's not branded as double-eagle but rather as "dean" (but as you said it was made by gotoh so there must be a lot of other brand named copies).
http://cgi.benl.ebay.be/ws/eBayISAP … 420229&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
 
I think 100€ is a lot for it, since you can clearly see that the bridge saddles are killed to death! Brass is soft material, and the places where the string should go over the saddles look just way to deep to ever stay properly in tune etc.
I don't know if it would sound the same, but as you said before, i also agree that perhaps a regular tune-o-matic bridge, with brass saddles would be anybody's best option, since the saddles would be easier to replace when they're wildly available..
 
Second of all i found the exact same thing under the brand names "alembic" & "starz"! Take a look at this forum;
http://www.tdpri.com/forum/other-gu … bout-garcias-alligator-strat-2.html
 
That second page is almost entirly about the bridge and has dozens of photo's, it mentions both "alembic" and "stars" as exact copies and it is about the Jerry Garcia strat,.. so maybe we can add one more hero to petro walli's hero's list? :D
 
So about the humbucker than, i also thought it wasn't a "real" PAF, since i don't petri would have putten a lot of work in converting a 2conductor humbucker into a 4conductor pickup.. The real question here is "how much output did it have"?
It's really hard to compare pickups in general, certainly with the "big brands" out there, the 2 gibson dirty fingers i have have different measurements, one of them is 15.5K the other one is 16.2K that's a very small difference, but then again there's the second part. On those dirty fingers you can use a screwdriver to adjust the magnets height, which would have a major influence tonewise!
So if there's any chance you know the output of the "paf" that would be awesome!
 
Well i'm going to continue my quest, and keep you updated if i find more information!
 
Thanks a million already McNulty, Dream_Eater and Fox!
 
Cheers!

Taigo: And thank you to McNulty, some of my questions have had a very revealing question! Also thanks for the bigger picture of that "photocollection",.. i'm pretty good with photo-manipulation and that photo certainly had more pixels to work with then the old!
No problemo... and good if you could get something out of that collage :)
 
The pictures that dream_eater has posted also showed the grover tuner-"heads" so now i know how finnish candy looks like ;)
Yeah, those buttons are quite big and probably from the same era as the brass bridge.
 
That brass bridge actually doesn't seem so "special" anymore, it was my biggest mystery as i could find nothing that i "thought" it would look like on the internet!
But to me it appears as if it's allmost some sort of Fender Jaguar bridge..
Anyway now that i've seen a better picture of it, there's plenty of info about it..
 
First of all there is one for sale on the bay but, it's not branded as double-eagle but rather as "dean" (but as you said it was made by gotoh so there must be a lot of other brand named copies).
http://cgi.benl.ebay.be/ws/eBayISAP … 420229&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
 
I think 100€ is a lot for it, since you can clearly see that the bridge saddles are killed to death! Brass is soft material, and the places where the string should go over the saddles look just way to deep to ever stay properly in tune etc.
I don't know if it would sound the same, but as you said before, i also agree that perhaps a regular tune-o-matic bridge, with brass saddles would be anybody's best option, since the saddles would be easier to replace when they're wildly available..
 
Second of all i found the exact same thing under the brand names "alembic" & "starz"! Take a look at this forum;
http://www.tdpri.com/forum/other-gu … bout-garcias-alligator-strat-2.html
 
That second page is almost entirly about the bridge and has dozens of photo's, it mentions both "alembic" and "stars" as exact copies and it is about the Jerry Garcia strat,.. so maybe we can add one more hero to petro walli's hero's list? :D
You are correct. Brass was widely used during the late 70s and there must have been loads of brass spare parts around from different manufacturers. Nuts, bridges, tailpieces, saddles, knobs, pickguards... you name it. And as we all know, Japs are good copying stuff so the DoubleEagle/Gotoh brass tune-o-matic might be a copy of Alembic's bridge or something like that. When you look at late 70s japanese guitars and basses, they are somewhat faithful replicas of the american ones. Even lawsuits were hoisted :)
 
So about the humbucker than, i also thought it wasn't a "real" PAF, since i don't petri would have putten a lot of work in converting a 2conductor humbucker into a 4conductor pickup.. The real question here is "how much output did it have"?
I'm not sure if anyone really knows the answer. Maybe the owner of that guitar does but that's about it. All I know is that it was mild and when splitted it really provided that singlecoil tone. One of the reasons might be that the two coils inside could be uneven to each other. Actually Lindy Fralin offers such a pickup these days, it's called Fralin UnBucker. http://www.fralinpickups.com/humbuckers.asp#un
 
I think any PAF-replica between 7k to 9k would work fine there on a neck position.
 
It's really hard to compare pickups in general, certainly with the "big brands" out there, the 2 gibson dirty fingers i have have different measurements, one of them is 15.5K the other one is 16.2K that's a very small difference, but then again there's the second part. On those dirty fingers you can use a screwdriver to adjust the magnets height, which would have a major influence tonewise!
So if there's any chance you know the output of the "paf" that would be awesome!
I'm not sure if Kitarapaja ever measured the pickups of that guitar. You could send them email and ask if they recall such things of that Pete Walli LP Deluxe but I highly doubt that. http://www.kitarapaja.com/
 
Another "problem" is that every pickup is slightly different than the other. Especially those man-made or human-operated ones :) The windings are always different (more/less turns, wire thickness and material etc.), there might have been different magnets (at least different values, sizes etc.)... and it all results to different pickups placed between the tolerance limits set for them. Even if you manage to find a pickup with identical dc-resistance value, it would probably sound different :)
 
Well i'm going to continue my quest, and keep you updated if i find more information!
 
Thanks a million already McNulty, Dream_Eater and Fox!
 
Cheers!
All the best luck!

aristoteles666: avattiin kun planet hollywood meni nurin.
 
Eikös Planet Hollywood avattu 1996? Muistan kun Arska S. heitteli t-paitoja faneille. FunFunissa kävin ite skidinä 1994 ja se meni aika pian sen jälkeen nurin.

padaa@dadaa!: Eikös Planet Hollywood avattu 1996? Muistan kun Arska S. heitteli t-paitoja faneille. FunFunissa kävin ite skidinä 1994 ja se meni aika pian sen jälkeen nurin.
 
1994 aukesi Planet H ja -95 meni Fun Fun nurin. 1994 olin vielä Funfunissa jossain abibileissä rällästämässä.
Jottei nyt lätinät ihan offariksi äidy, niin pistetään vaikka tuollainen linkki josta löytyy myös jokunen KW:n keikkakuva ynnä muuta (näkyy se LP:kin siellä jossain kuvissa).
http://www.themirrorland.tk/

God i hate the design of that website from the mirrorland..
I'm creating a new one! Is Aki still the host?

Mandarax: 1994 aukesi Planet H ja -95 meni Fun Fun nurin. 1994 olin vielä Funfunissa jossain abibileissä rällästämässä.
Jottei nyt lätinät ihan offariksi äidy, niin pistetään vaikka tuollainen linkki josta löytyy myös jokunen KW:n keikkakuva ynnä muuta (näkyy se LP:kin siellä jossain kuvissa).
http://www.themirrorland.tk/
 
http://www.yle.fi/elavaarkisto/?s=s … mp;g=4&ag=22&t=8&a=8717
 
Yleisradiolla väärää tietoa?
 
Ja toinen aihe.
 
http://www.kotiposti.net/akiko/mirrorlandv2/images/obitu.jpg
 
"Kuoli äkillisesti"

Jos jotakin kiinnostaa, tässä aika kattava paketti Klondyke-talosta Keravalla.
 
http://huvipuisto.net/huvipuis/fanfaari.htm
 
/M
 
http://huvipuisto.net/huvipuis/fanfaari.htm
 
padaa@dadaa!: http://www.yle.fi/elavaarkisto/?s=s … mp;g=4&ag=22&t=8&a=8717
Yleisradiolla väärää tietoa?

padaa@dadaa!: http://www.yle.fi/elavaarkisto/?s=s … mp;g=4&ag=22&t=8&a=8717
 
Yleisradiolla väärää tietoa?
 
Luepas uudestaan ajatuksen kanssa tuo minun lause:
1994 aukesi Planet H ja -95 meni Fun Fun nurin.
 
Eipä tuo Arskan visiittejä Planet Hollywoodissa estä...

It seems like the machine heads were the vintage version of the "Grover Imperial"
 
Examples
http://www.topshelfmusic.com/S9901080015.jpg
http://www.scottymoore.net/images/eguitars/Img_5556.jpg
 
Can anyone verify?
 
Cheers

About those brass bridges, I vaguely recall seeing somewhat similar ones at the jcfonline.com, the Jackson/Charvel forum. Somebody had put one in a golden hardtail Rhoads, looked very nice. I did a quick search at the site but did not find the pic, maybe if you have more time and interest in searching the site you'll come up with some info. And I think there was someone producing those bridges, they were not 2nd hand or NOS.
 
My 2 cents, hope this helps...

the insult: About those brass bridges, I vaguely recall seeing somewhat similar ones at the jcfonline.com, the Jackson/Charvel forum. Somebody had put one in a golden hardtail Rhoads, looked very nice. I did a quick search at the site but did not find the pic, maybe if you have more time and interest in searching the site you'll come up with some info. And I think there was someone producing those bridges, they were not 2nd hand or NOS.
 
My 2 cents, hope this helps...
 
Dave from http://www.fretsonthenet.com/ builds these: http://www.fretsonthenet.net/NeedUploaded/Blacktuna.JPG
 
You can get one in solid brass too. But i don't know if he makes them anymore, the build costs were too high or something?

oh it's easy to find the guy who made them is named Brian, he owns a website called http://jackofroses.com/Home.html
 
He made the replicas because Jerry Garcia used the same bridge as Petri Walli on his "alligator strat".
 
Unfortunatly Brian stopped making them (in mass production?). Anyway i've already mailed him, but now you guys know where to get it..
 
That website from fretsonthenet seems to have the same saddles, but the rest looks entirely different.

Taigo: It seems like the machine heads were the vintage version of the "Grover Imperial"
 
Examples
http://www.topshelfmusic.com/S9901080015.jpg
http://www.scottymoore.net/images/eguitars/Img_5556.jpg
 
Can anyone verify?
 
Cheers
 
Those look like so-called "waffleback"-Grovers.. I think Imperials had stairstep buttons.. vintage as well as new..